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A Question to ALL Democrats and Liberals out there(POLL)

Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:45 PM EST
politics, republicans, gop, election, 2012
By Marshall James

Live Poll

Whose supporters do you run across the most?

View Results
  • 173204
    Newt Gingrich
    5%
  • 173205
    Jon Huntsman
    6%
  • 173206
    Mitt Romney
    18%
  • 173207
    Ron Paul
    67%
  • 173208
    Rick Santorum
    2%
  • 173209
    Rick Perry
    2%

VoteTotal Votes: 196

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For those of you here on the vine...and the United States of America who find yourself leaning Democrat or liberal.  

Whose supporters do you run across the most from  the  GOP?

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Marshall James

COH please

  • 3 votes
#1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:45 PM EST
LasVegasRocks

MJ, you missed the most obvious:

NONE OF THE ABOVE.

  • 29 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:39 PM EST
Marshall James

you never come across gop supporters??

interesting.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:42 PM EST
Anatoly-Rex

I'd say Ron Paul but I'd note that most Republicans don't support specific candidates but rather the general platform of the Party.

  • 16 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:47 PM EST
fireryone

No one I've spoken to has told me who they are going to support. I hear Ron Paul most often on the vine.

  • 16 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:52 PM EST
Marshall James

AR and fireyone thanks.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:00 PM EST
tomwcraig

Here's the rub, the Republican candidate will most likely be chosen by March 6th as that is when California and about 20 other states will have their primaries. Sadly, Oregon doesn't have its primary until May 15th, I believe. Right now, I am torn between Santorum and Newt. If Cain had remained in the race, he would have gotten my vote most likely. I think of Romney as Obama-lite rather than Conservative.

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:35 PM EST
Marshall James

tom

according to my opinion they are all obamalite with the exception of Ron Paul who is the only conservative.

luckily washington state is march 3rd......:) and can tell you right now...Ron Paul will take washington...and Idaho.....and he will take California easily.

but that is another whole topic altogether....Really I was trying to get left wing thoughts on the subject.

if you are from oregon...a group request will be sent....hope you accept..

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:49 PM EST
Luke Wright

I'm a registered indy, but i lean republican. The other night before the debate my wife asked me which one I thought would do the best job running the country and I told her "None of them"...but then I also told her that even though that's what I thought of them all I thought even less of Obama and would vote for whoever the GOP nominee is. They all seem to worry way too much about ohter people's private lives and not nearly enough about the things that really matter. Hell, I'd probably vote for Ron Paul just because he wants to audit the fed...lol

  • 10 votes
#1.8 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:00 PM EST
fireryone

As an Idahoan for over 25 years I'd be very suprise if Idaho chooses Ron Paul over Mitt Romney. We have a huge Mormon population. So I expect Mitt to get the nomination here.

I'd prefer it if Idaho chooses Ron...:)

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:02 PM EST
Marshall James

fireryone

not likely...dont know if you have been to the gem state lately...but its over run with Ron Paul supporters.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/07/ron-paul-takes-idaho/

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:24 PM EST
fireryone

Marshall, I still live in the gem state. The Forbes article flat out shocks me, I have to admit that I've not been watching the local news lately. This makes me happy though. :)

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:33 PM EST
MJL-3

I read alot from supporters of

Ron Paul and Obama

  • 5 votes
#1.12 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:07 PM EST
Marshall James

thanks.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:13 PM EST
Chucky Stuart

I have many more Libertarian friends than conservative friends (though I have lots of both). Ron Paul hands down. Followed by Mitt, though mostly in the sense of not wanting Mitt to get the nomination.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:28 PM EST
GA Girl-718836

Here in the south you know who are Republican/Baggers and most are relatively subdued given all the nutter bean saber rattling we heard from the beggars fro the last 3 years. They don't like Mitt at all but they will line up and vote for him in the hopes of beating Obama in fact if a Monkey wore a red tie they would vote for the monkey if he were running against Obama. It is what fueling the Bagger in the med terms to take to the streets and scare the independents they believe stole their election and gave it to the Dems last time and they hope to do the same now since it worked so well the last time. It will fail miserably.

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:32 PM EST
Corie

Marshall James

#1.7

luckily washington state is march 3rd.

Last year. Gregoire put a new law in place that forbids placing presidential candidates on the 2012 primary here in Washington. Has that law since been rescinded?

She claimed the primaries help only republicans, since democrat candidates are chosen in this state by caucuses - so there's no sense in spending money on something that will benefit only republicans.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:39 PM EST
ryoushi12

I live in a conservative catholic area, so many of my neighbors are catholic fascists.

I have run across the occasional simplistically minded libertarian though, since religious belief, as opposed to rational thought based on EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, is the norm in my neck of the woods. And ron paul most certainly does NOT believe in EMPIRICAL evidence, since he takes his economic cues from the teachings of Ludwig von Mises, who CREATED the methodology of praxiology or the DEDUCTIVE method for social research, as opposed to the INDUCTIVE method of reasoning used by the vast majority of scientists. Deductive reasoning results from creating a series of premises and then constructing logical arguments to claim a new premise.

The fundamental FLAW of deductive reasoning is that it is utterly dependent upon the initial premises been FACTUALLY TRUE. For example, 1. Everyone who eats steak is a quarterback. 2. John eats steak. 3. Therefore, John is a quarterback. The argument is VALID, it follows logically, but it is unsound and false, because it is simple observable empirical fact that not ALL people who eat steaks are in fact quarterbacks, that premise is FALSE. And, that is the FLAW of libertarian reasoning, they make assumptions on human behavior and market behavior that in fact are at best mere opinion and at worst are FALSE based on empirical observation and INDUCTIVE reasoning, moves from generalizations to PROBABILITIES in specifics as in 1. 90% of humans are right handed 2. John is human 3. Therefore there is a 90% probability that John is right handed.

Or to show just how silly libertarian free market thinkers can get, in the area of the unencumbered free market, one question is maintaining equilibrium within the system. One new school of thought on this subject, econophysics, applies statistical and non-linear mathematical analysis to economic models and found that they can spin quickly out of control, leading inevitably to bubbles and herd mentality (including unreasoning panic) and that people in fact will react very different ways even within the same trading situation from the way other will. The response by the classical free market group, such as the University of Chicago, was to dismiss the surprising correlation between model and real behavior by saying that the theory and its predictions are worthless because;

...external influences, such as weather, commodity prices, technological developments, and government meddling for non-equilibrium prices.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Market

Really, the WEATHER is to blame for free markets going out of whack. So I guess ron paul has a plan to stop the WEATHER from disrupting the perfect libertarian free market universe.

For the likelihood of his success, read up on King Canute here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great

Of course, Canute KNEW his attempt would fail. I'm not so sure ron and his followers are nearly as self aware.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:57 PM EST
LasVegasRocks

Marshall James

you never come across gop supporters??

All the time. Most are wondering what life will be like with four more years of President Obama.

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:11 PM EST
Marshall James

lasvegasrocks and ryoushi

hope you voted for who you hear about from the most.

corie

not familiar with her passing anything that affects the primaries.

I am aware that they are the 3rd of march...and that I will be participating.....that is all I know.

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:14 PM EST
ryoushi12

Yes I do, I intend to vote for Obama, who as a MODERATE CONSERVATIVE, is the least likely to cause the country any more damage than has already been done to it by radical reactionary libertarian fantasies that have been foisted on us by republicans since reagan.

  • 14 votes
#1.20 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:58 PM EST
lets think

@ ryoushi12 #1.17 nice. @ #1.20 I'd agree.

Marshall James, all of my conservative friends won't commit to naming a preferred candidate, even when pressed.

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:04 PM EST
Silvaria

I'm an Oregonian and a liberal...the person that I hear being supported the most around here by conservatives is Romney, followed closely by Paul.

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:12 PM EST
hard2port

"you never come across gop supporters??"

Only at family functions, and we've buried 3 in the last year. Seems like the same thing is happening to their 1% ideology. Some choice though, white collar criminals, religious wackos, and some racist relic from the distant past. Comical. Looks like the RWNJ's will be running 3 candidates this fall. Cool!

  • 12 votes
#1.23 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:13 PM EST
Bluebird Sister

I'm so sorry to hear about your losses. Three in one year is tough. The very last person I

saw that even cares about politics, was months ago. This friend always votes libertarian

even though he knows his candidate won't win. I hope to see him before the 2012 election

and twist his arm to vote Obama this time. I think I can persuade him.

  • 6 votes
#1.24 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:14 PM EST
hard2port

Thanks BluSis. More funerals for me to attend in the future from what I observed at the last 3. Death is a part of life.

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:30 PM EST
Flashypaws

i'll be very surprised if paul can beat romney here in idaho.

if anybody could, it would be paul.

but nobody can.

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:43 PM EST
Marshall James

flashypaws

you might be suprised here soon....all indications are he has Idaho locked up.

  • 2 votes
#1.27 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:03 AM EST
Road Rash

Ron Paul's supporters are more vocal and therefore more obvious. I see more thongs than panties, but that doesn't mean they're more popular.

  • 8 votes
#1.28 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:12 AM EST
Marshall James

roadrash

great analogy.

    #1.29 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:25 AM EST
    reddirthippy

    In okieland Perry and Santorium

    • 1 vote
    #1.30 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST
    lets think

    In okieland Perry and Santorium

    Glad I don't live there.

    • 3 votes
    #1.31 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:39 PM EST
    Reply
    hugh b

    none that I can think of

    republicans yes I know some, they have mostly been non-committal with their choice

    remember this america, we aren't mature enough to discuss politics, it isn't "polite" conversation, so nobody ever learns from one another. kind of childish really

    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST
    Marshall James

    oh ok...well many people I know here on the vine...can tell you that they come across more supporters of a certain individual than any others.

    if you have not done so ....interesting.....so just as many santorum supporters as Romney or Paul??

    ok

    • 3 votes
    #2.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST
    hugh b

    i don't poll on the vine, can't say i pay much attention to who they are voting for

    people I run across on here are anonymous and I don't run across them except in the loosest sense of the term

    I prefer real opinions from people I know to offer an answer to your question, honestly

    and my opinion of them is colored with my prejudice for stupidity and self interest

    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST
    Reply
    Vlad's dog

    I live in Pennsylvania and the GOP friends I know have no idea who will be still on the ballot when they vote. I can tell you that none of them want Santorum as a choice. We all know what he was like as a senator and we don't need that boy in the White House.

    One guy I know is a half hearted Newt supporter because he hates Romney and the Bain Capitol thing.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST
    Marshall James

    vlad

    so you have only come across a couple of supporters....here on the vine and outside??

    interesting.

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST
    Vlad's dog

    Not on the vine Marshall. Just local folks I talk to.

    But it seems more folks on the vine are Ron Paul supporters.

    • 4 votes
    #3.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:12 PM EST
    Marshall James

    do you think its because in person people are a bit more shy about talking about politics??

    agree with you on santorum by the way....I have yet to come across a santorum supporter....and I have done phone banks.

    dont know how in the hell he did as well as he did in iowa.

    it doesnt make sense to me.

    • 4 votes
    #3.3 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST
    Vlad's dog

    That could be Marshall. I live in the country and we tend to keep out of religious and political discussions with neighbors. Most folks are more interested in talking about weather, the price of corn and gas and when the steelhead are running and who got a big buck during the season. lol

    • 5 votes
    #3.4 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:21 PM EST
    Reply
    CreepingJesus

    You left one out: President Obama.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:40 PM EST
    Marshall James

    since obama is just like gingrich and romney you are probably right.

    • 5 votes
    #4.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:43 PM EST
    hugh b

    how is obama just like?

    aren't they all?

    why limit your question to Dems and Libs, why not Libertarians, Republicants, et al? I know conservatives have problems with their thought process but they may, just may be able to answer a simple question.

    • 4 votes
    #4.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:48 PM EST
    Pop Cicle

    Creep.......you're right, we're leaving Obama out. LOL !!!!

    • 3 votes
    #4.3 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:39 PM EST
    Reply
    Truth Sleuth

    Here on the 'vine, I run across Ron Paul supporters more than others it seems. I live in southern California, so I don't seem to run in to Republicans (that I know of), socially or otherwise--except for some relatives back East and in the South. And I have no idea which candidate(s) those relatives might support. Anybody with an "R" after his/her name, I would imagine.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:53 PM EST
    Marshall James

    thanks.

    how is Ron Paul perceived in southern california?

    • 4 votes
    #5.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:59 PM EST
    Truth Sleuth

    Frankly, Marshall, in my circle of friends, I've yet to hear one peep about him. My husband and our circle of friends are pretty liberal. I do have one friend who said he could concede that they could live with a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, even if he/she had an "R" after his/her name. He said he could live with it; I would prefer it. I don't know what he thinks about Ron Paul. I don't think it's ever come up. This same friend, however, agreed with me that it's a shame that Newt Gingrich's exceptional intellect and forthrightness about his stances on things and willingness to answer a direct question with a direct answer is wasted on some of his more extreme social views.

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:35 PM EST
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    Marshall James

    I am simply trying to get information from liberals and democrats as to whose supporters here on the vine and outside for the gop do they come across the most.

    I am not here to tell liberals or conservatives they are dumb or smart or anything else.

    I am simply wanting to know who from the gop side do they hear from the most.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#6 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:54 PM EST
    PAUL-372271

    Early on I hear Ron Paul most often, but more recently some GOP folks have started to accept Mitt

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:57 PM EST
    Marshall James

    thanks.

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:58 PM EST
    Reply
    SW Missouri Mule

    I can't go to the bar for the latest in political opinions. That's why I'm on NW. What I've gathered from quick conversations here and there is that Ron Paul supporters from 2008 are still in place. Jon Huntsman started as a low buzz just a couple months ago and is just coming to the public eye. People are curious about him. Those are the two I've heard about. The rest were negative.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#8 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:02 PM EST
    Marshall James

    thank you much!!!!!

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:08 PM EST
    Reply
    Shannoscubie

    I see mostly Ron Paul supporters here on Newsvine. I don't discuss politics IRL with any GOP supporters I know, though, and everybody else I discuss politics with IRL is a Democrat/liberal.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#9 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:45 PM EST
    FreedomIsAChoice

    IRL, mostly Romney supporters; I see a number of very frustrated GOP supporters who feel like their party has been hijacked by extremists.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:56 PM EST
    greck

    Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate anybody seems to be excited about.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#11 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:50 PM EST
    Marshall James

    thanks

    • 1 vote
    #11.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:13 PM EST
    Reply
    FlNutmegger

    Around this section of Florida I do hear about Ron Paul an awful lot. the interesting thing though is that he seems to be lightning rod as an awful lot of people seem to be not too sure of whether they like him or not. Still some confusion here about him it would seem.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#12 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:16 PM EST
    Marshall James

    thank you.

    • 1 vote
    #12.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:23 PM EST
    Reply
    BLOGER-486140

    Sorry I spend most of my time around adults. Ron Paul is not their first choice.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#13 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:42 PM EST
    BD Styers

    That's funny.

    • 3 votes
    #13.1 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:54 AM EST
    Reply
    DS12

    I couldn't answer your poll. None of the above or anyone but PRes Obama was not availiable. Anyone would have been my answer since the conservatives I know wouldn't vote for a democrat if their life depended on it. Once the extremists on the right (Fox, rush, etc) come to a decision they will follow their advice whole heartedly....JMO

    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:46 PM EST
    Marshall James

    just was wondering if you heard more lip from Paul, Romney, Perry supporters is all.

    I know what repubs want....just wondering if you have heard from more from one camp.

    • 1 vote
    #14.1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:15 PM EST
    Reply
    willard

    I've not come across any - and I'm the flaming librul that is well known and despised in my Western NC county. The TP, along w/ evangelicals are forsaken with their hopefuls Palin, Bachman and Santorum all doing very badly (shows what a small group they really are). The evangelicals are in disarray because they'll so cock sure that they've the answer on every issue direct from God and apparently God isn't cooperating. And regular reasonable AKA Rockefeller republicans, they're afraid to speak out for the flak they'll receive from the other two fringe groups.

    All the good news from the Romney bashing isn't going to help. BTW, as despicable as Newt is, the ad exposing Romney for the immoral jerk that he is is quite well done. (Never thought I give praise to Newt).

    What repubs want is POWER. Their last interest is governing or the people. One doesn't need a poll to know that. As was stated before, they'll all fall in line behind mittens b/c by and large they're a souless lot whose over riding issue is themselves. They'll all accept the crumbs that mitt throws to them

    • 3 votes
    Reply#15 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:33 PM EST
    Jake-991574

    OK I plugged in for Ron Paul supporters but only because they are easily identifiable. It appears to me that many "anti" Obama folks are undecided in their choice of poison except for the Libertarian branch. So to me in this poll its Ron Paul the Libertarian or pick anyone of the above as the "anti' Obama. As a collective whole I get into loggerheads with the "anti" Obama candidate supporters most often. As a single entity certainly, Ron Paul has the most congealed support. Of the bunch I will say that I could sleep easy at night with Jon Huntsman and would spend many restless nights with Newt (shudders) in the oval office. Romney is just a vanilla rich kid who in IMO has no idea except (convenience of the moment) what the last guy said! Thanks for the opportunity.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#16 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:00 PM EST
    Ed-2160927

    Out here in the desert A bunch of folks think Ron Paul is the man. But desert rats are a weird bunch to begin with and when it comes time to vote they just go in and punch who ever is not a Democrat. But a few I know when pressed say they don't trust the govt. at all and will not vote because the man can track you. And some of the others are not happy with all the talk about cutting Social Security and medicare. So its still up in the air who they will support when the curtain closes in November.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#17 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:29 PM EST
    DocPhil

    It's interesting that most republicans I talk to hate their candidates but are so into Obama hatred syndrome that they will vote for a candidate they know will sell them down the river in order to cast a vote against Obama. The pity is when you ask why, most come back with the Fox talking points. He's a socialist, he's a communist, he's instituting Alinsky's game plan. If you ask them what it is they shrug.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#18 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST
    joseph common

    voter count fraud favoring romney can be expected. media is running a cover story to CONDITION THE PUBLIC to "be ready" to believe the fraud count with prepared fraud polls. without the "preparation" the count fraud would be too blatantly obvious. the millions of dollars from wallstreet to mitty demand a 100% results guarantee, just like the banksters demanded from americans when they failed. then they turned around and stole the homes and lands of americans who rescued them. and these are the types that romney - a non christian - represents and supports and pays homage to and is ready to hand american public property to so they can recoup their guaranteed investment.

    these cons are ready to run "infomercials" on the public as if people like romney. they will be friends and beneficiaries and employees of his media circus to con the public. what does wallstreet want with romney? THEY WANT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY! they need your social security - a recirculation system that works - to buy overpriced stock that the 1%'ers want to sell at ridiculous prices. it is the CON OF CONS. and YOU ARE HIS TARGET.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#19 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:13 PM EST
    JVSimp

    In Reno, NV most of the people I talk to don't like any of them for the most part. I have heard more people willing to vote for Newt then anyone else I have heard. I don't converse much about politics since I am a manager in a Warehouse so the choice of conversation is generally sports, sports or sports.

    My personal friends that I talk to about politics will not vote for any of the Republican people running right now, but I am an atheist so I have a lot more atheist friends then religious ones. The religious friends I have don't like most of the nominees that go after restricting gays.

    I am an Indy that leans Demo.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#20 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:58 PM EST
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