A Question to ALL Democrats and Liberals out there(POLL)

MJ, you missed the most obvious:

NONE OF THE ABOVE.

I'd say Ron Paul but I'd note that most Republicans don't support specific candidates but rather the general platform of the Party.

No one I've spoken to has told me who they are going to support. I hear Ron Paul most often on the vine.

Here's the rub, the Republican candidate will most likely be chosen by March 6th as that is when California and about 20 other states will have their primaries. Sadly, Oregon doesn't have its primary until May 15th, I believe. Right now, I am torn between Santorum and Newt. If Cain had remained in the race, he would have gotten my vote most likely. I think of Romney as Obama-lite rather than Conservative.

I'm a registered indy, but i lean republican. The other night before the debate my wife asked me which one I thought would do the best job running the country and I told her "None of them"...but then I also told her that even though that's what I thought of them all I thought even less of Obama and would vote for whoever the GOP nominee is. They all seem to worry way too much about ohter people's private lives and not nearly enough about the things that really matter. Hell, I'd probably vote for Ron Paul just because he wants to audit the fed...lol

As an Idahoan for over 25 years I'd be very suprise if Idaho chooses Ron Paul over Mitt Romney. We have a huge Mormon population. So I expect Mitt to get the nomination here.

I'd prefer it if Idaho chooses Ron...:)

Marshall, I still live in the gem state. The Forbes article flat out shocks me, I have to admit that I've not been watching the local news lately. This makes me happy though. :)

I read alot from supporters of

Ron Paul and Obama

I have many more Libertarian friends than conservative friends (though I have lots of both). Ron Paul hands down. Followed by Mitt, though mostly in the sense of not wanting Mitt to get the nomination.

Here in the south you know who are Republican/Baggers and most are relatively subdued given all the nutter bean saber rattling we heard from the beggars fro the last 3 years. They don't like Mitt at all but they will line up and vote for him in the hopes of beating Obama in fact if a Monkey wore a red tie they would vote for the monkey if he were running against Obama. It is what fueling the Bagger in the med terms to take to the streets and scare the independents they believe stole their election and gave it to the Dems last time and they hope to do the same now since it worked so well the last time. It will fail miserably.

Marshall James

#1.7

luckily washington state is march 3rd.

Last year. Gregoire put a new law in place that forbids placing presidential candidates on the 2012 primary here in Washington. Has that law since been rescinded?

She claimed the primaries help only republicans, since democrat candidates are chosen in this state by caucuses - so there's no sense in spending money on something that will benefit only republicans.

I live in a conservative catholic area, so many of my neighbors are catholic fascists.

I have run across the occasional simplistically minded libertarian though, since religious belief, as opposed to rational thought based on EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, is the norm in my neck of the woods. And ron paul most certainly does NOT believe in EMPIRICAL evidence, since he takes his economic cues from the teachings of Ludwig von Mises, who CREATED the methodology of praxiology or the DEDUCTIVE method for social research, as opposed to the INDUCTIVE method of reasoning used by the vast majority of scientists. Deductive reasoning results from creating a series of premises and then constructing logical arguments to claim a new premise.

The fundamental FLAW of deductive reasoning is that it is utterly dependent upon the initial premises been FACTUALLY TRUE. For example, 1. Everyone who eats steak is a quarterback. 2. John eats steak. 3. Therefore, John is a quarterback. The argument is VALID, it follows logically, but it is unsound and false, because it is simple observable empirical fact that not ALL people who eat steaks are in fact quarterbacks, that premise is FALSE. And, that is the FLAW of libertarian reasoning, they make assumptions on human behavior and market behavior that in fact are at best mere opinion and at worst are FALSE based on empirical observation and INDUCTIVE reasoning, moves from generalizations to PROBABILITIES in specifics as in 1. 90% of humans are right handed 2. John is human 3. Therefore there is a 90% probability that John is right handed.

Or to show just how silly libertarian free market thinkers can get, in the area of the unencumbered free market, one question is maintaining equilibrium within the system. One new school of thought on this subject, econophysics, applies statistical and non-linear mathematical analysis to economic models and found that they can spin quickly out of control, leading inevitably to bubbles and herd mentality (including unreasoning panic) and that people in fact will react very different ways even within the same trading situation from the way other will. The response by the classical free market group, such as the University of Chicago, was to dismiss the surprising correlation between model and real behavior by saying that the theory and its predictions are worthless because;

...external influences, such as weather, commodity prices, technological developments, and government meddling for non-equilibrium prices.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Market

Really, the WEATHER is to blame for free markets going out of whack. So I guess ron paul has a plan to stop the WEATHER from disrupting the perfect libertarian free market universe.

For the likelihood of his success, read up on King Canute here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great

Of course, Canute KNEW his attempt would fail. I'm not so sure ron and his followers are nearly as self aware.

Marshall James

you never come across gop supporters??

All the time. Most are wondering what life will be like with four more years of President Obama.

Yes I do, I intend to vote for Obama, who as a MODERATE CONSERVATIVE, is the least likely to cause the country any more damage than has already been done to it by radical reactionary libertarian fantasies that have been foisted on us by republicans since reagan.

@ ryoushi12 #1.17 nice. @ #1.20 I'd agree.

Marshall James, all of my conservative friends won't commit to naming a preferred candidate, even when pressed.

I'm an Oregonian and a liberal...the person that I hear being supported the most around here by conservatives is Romney, followed closely by Paul.

"you never come across gop supporters??"

Only at family functions, and we've buried 3 in the last year. Seems like the same thing is happening to their 1% ideology. Some choice though, white collar criminals, religious wackos, and some racist relic from the distant past. Comical. Looks like the RWNJ's will be running 3 candidates this fall. Cool!

I'm so sorry to hear about your losses. Three in one year is tough. The very last person I

saw that even cares about politics, was months ago. This friend always votes libertarian

even though he knows his candidate won't win. I hope to see him before the 2012 election

and twist his arm to vote Obama this time. I think I can persuade him.

Thanks BluSis. More funerals for me to attend in the future from what I observed at the last 3. Death is a part of life.

i'll be very surprised if paul can beat romney here in idaho.

if anybody could, it would be paul.

but nobody can.

Ron Paul's supporters are more vocal and therefore more obvious. I see more thongs than panties, but that doesn't mean they're more popular.

In okieland Perry and Santorium

In okieland Perry and Santorium

Glad I don't live there.